Will Trump be indicted at least 5x?
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I'm tempted to resolve this market to N/A. Very little mana was bet, it's pretty ambiguous, and the creator isn't active on Manifold.

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@mods resolves YES

A grand jury returned superseding indictment yesterday. Same charges but definitely 5th indictment. Whole separate grand jury even.

The new indictment is very different than the first one. Many of the major allegations were dropped. Definitely a fifth and separate indictment. @mods

I agree. Not sure why the Wikipedia table only has four. The article also includes this text:

Two indictments are on state charges (one in New York and one in Georgia) and two indictments (as well as one superseding indictment) are on federal charges (one in Florida and one in the District of Columbia).

2 + 2 + 1 = 5.

Not resolving yet, as I'd like to leave a little more time for discussion counter-argument, but this seems fairly clear to me. Yes, it's for the same acts as a previous indictment, but it's a new indictment, which is what the question is about.

There was already a superseding indictment in the classified docs case. So either:

  • superseding indictments count, in which case it was at 5 previously and is now at 6.

  • or they don't, in which case it's still at 4.

Also note "Multiple cases" in the description. A superseding indictment is the same case, I guess.

Yeah, my take is we should change the title to "indicted at least 5x in separate cases" and don't count superseding indictments. Thoughts?

Technically the Supreme Court ordered this to happen by drawing lines around what was and wasn’t appropriate to indict a president for. So this is as good as replacing not merely adding charges so it’s different than the initial classified docs case that added additional charges. Though I don’t see why the additional charges for a new crime in the docs case doesn’t count as an entirely separate indictment too?

I was reading the "multiple cases" as "separate indictments, not just a bunch of charges from one grand jury proceeding".

I'd forgotten about the superseding indictment in the documents case. There does seem to be a difference between the two (additional charges vs. replacement), but the argument that it's either 4 or 6 makes sense to me as well.

If the original indictment had been fully thrown out, and an entirely new indictment for many of the same acts happened, would that be a different situation than we have?